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Fugitive Methane Caught in the Act of Raising GHG

Forbes -- It turns out that greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions are much higher from using natural gas to produce electricity than from using coal. So much for the myth that replacing coal with gas will help stave off global warming.

The culprit of these GHG emissions is fugitive emissions of methane. Since methane is a far more potent GHG than CO2, this is bad. Fugitive losses include loss of methane from the well-head during flow-back return of the fluids, during drill-out following fracturing and during well-venting, plus losses from equipment leaks, losses during transport, storage, and distribution, processing losses and losses during liquid unloading. (Is methane coming out of your faucet fugitive?)

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Submitted Jul 16, 2012 By: Mudsprings

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unclemattie Veteran Author Atlanta Posts:289 Points:459,155 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 4:27:27 AM Ignore unclemattie Report Abuse Will the Administration's Green Czar read this? Prob not
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,014 Points:2,345,510 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:47:00 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse No dirty coal, No methane! Reasonably priced Renewable energy from Solar, Wind, Hydro, Thermal, Tidal and/or Nuclear. Become atmosphere friendly and use the energy from the sun in more ways than one. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,963 Points:2,117,390 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 17, 2012 12:42:22 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse Not a good thing...
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,614 Points:1,142,245 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 8:23:27 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse I think the only thing wrong with coal is that it's not efficient enough for Obama at destroying what's left of the economy.
DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:7,064 Points:1,627,125 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 7:19:21 PM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse I find that very hard to believe
C.Carpets All-Star Author Oakland Posts:543 Points:2,089,985 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:27:14 PM Ignore C.Carpets Report Abuse Isn't the Methane that comes out of a cows butt supposed to destroy the Earth?
miser709 Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:1,268 Points:1,069,925 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 6:06:37 PM Ignore miser709 Report Abuse Old news article.
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Mustache_33 All-Star Author Toronto Posts:900 Points:181,455 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:49:11 PM Ignore Mustache_33 Report Abuse hmm
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:10,901 Points:2,132,580 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:47:57 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse It costs money and time to capture it. Most refuse to pay it unless regulators force them to.
boatmen Champion Author New York Posts:3,085 Points:622,805 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:47:32 PM Ignore boatmen Report Abuse no win
jessek Champion Author Detroit Posts:2,657 Points:1,280,490 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:45:46 PM Ignore jessek Report Abuse Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
bigdipperMS Champion Author Mississippi Posts:1,517 Points:537,750 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:45:05 PM Ignore bigdipperMS Report Abuse This article is highly exaggerated. Methane is the higher percent of the natural gas stream. Gas that is vented during clean up is normally burned and at any rate is normally for a very short period of time. Responsible oil operators loose very little gas through leakage and during processing and transportation. After all, you cannot sell what is vented to the atmosphere. This is a poorly researched article and written by someone who doesn't know jack about natural gas production.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,596 Points:1,205,480 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:44:33 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Exactly Buddy2264! This is an Opinion Piece again. Das is Verboten under GB Guidelines!
themaninthehat Champion Author New Orleans Posts:1,824 Points:472,265 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:44:26 PM Ignore themaninthehat Report Abuse We've known about methane pollution since George Carlin had a full head of hair!
toadNY Champion Author Albany Posts:7,042 Points:1,513,150 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:43:47 PM Ignore toadNY Report Abuse If we could only find a way to harness the Hot air in washington we would not need oil or gas.
monarch57 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,628 Points:135,710 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:43:21 PM Ignore monarch57 Report Abuse Don't they have the technology to capture it.
Agarre Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,335 Points:263,785 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:43:18 PM Ignore Agarre Report Abuse first time ?
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,654 Points:2,359,970 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:38:53 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse I am sure they can find a way to capture the methane and use it and maybe even burn it to generate electricity.
A2J Champion Author Richmond Posts:3,075 Points:602,950 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:38:46 PM Ignore A2J Report Abuse Fugitive
walkingtall Champion Author Toronto Posts:3,999 Points:1,121,680 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:35:56 PM Ignore walkingtall Report Abuse Methane capture would result in salable product.
NhCobra Sophomore Author New Hampshire Posts:109 Points:429,220 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:34:24 PM Ignore NhCobra Report Abuse So tired of the morons at the EPA and the hoax believers.
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,557 Points:1,919,755 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:31:51 PM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse Burn the methane!!
Jeeputtputt Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,002 Points:677,465 Joined:Aug 2009	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:31:36 PM Ignore Jeeputtputt Report Abuse Where the h*** are the rocket scientists?????
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,066 Points:1,731,235 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:28:55 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse sickening that people think the world would be better off without humans
defiancegasman Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,080 Points:1,323,260 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:27:58 PM Ignore defiancegasman Report Abuse Total BS!!! With research like this, mankind just breathing will mean the END OF THE WORLD!!
runner74 Champion Author Washington Posts:2,704 Points:568,240 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:27:51 PM Ignore runner74 Report Abuse ok
lross94 Champion Author Lexington Posts:1,568 Points:1,277,065 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:27:24 PM Ignore lross94 Report Abuse Quoted from OWG "Global warming is not a myth to those who are willing to open their eyes and yes, a high percentage but not all is made made!" So just How exactly did we come out of the first Ice Age??? Oh right, it was those non-existent SUV's and Coal Fired Power Plants that saved the planet from the deep freeze! Thank God in Heaven for the saving grace of the first SUV's and Coal fired power plants, but now damn them all to Hell forever! Wait a minute, I am sure OWG is way too intelligent to believe in God.
NotmeuQc Champion Author Montreal Posts:5,651 Points:1,133,925 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:26:10 PM Ignore NotmeuQc Report Abuse They should try and tap this gas and use it somewhere.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,922 Points:1,574,980 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:25:20 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse and didn't the administration just make it almost impossible to use coakl--killing off thousands of jobs in hard hit areas
gd83goldwinger Champion Author South Bend Posts:1,428 Points:504,230 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:23:15 PM Ignore gd83goldwinger Report Abuse No matter what something is going to cause something. It's cause and effect and it is going to happen no matter what,someone is going to say this is the problem.
brutherruther Veteran Author Fort Worth Posts:435 Points:237,540 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:22:49 PM Ignore brutherruther Report Abuse Ok
wshutton Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,672 Points:925,170 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:22:17 PM Ignore wshutton Report Abuse Methane is a fuel. Methane capture would result in a salable product.. Why not use it as one as well?
HawaiianGuy Champion Author Idaho Posts:9,528 Points:3,079,700 Joined:May 2003	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:20:45 PM Ignore HawaiianGuy Report Abuse This is all too convenient. And why did this only come out now? This is probably the same bunch of "Man-caused Global Warming" idiots who think the earth would be much better off if man were to be wiped off the face of the planet. I don't buy it.
mrbee Champion Author Little Rock Posts:3,754 Points:2,465,980 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:19:58 PM Ignore mrbee Report Abuse Oops!
aggietim Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:1,756 Points:693,325 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:18:50 PM Ignore aggietim Report Abuse Did the coal indusrty publish this?
TedNC All-Star Author North Carolina Posts:995 Points:226,950 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:14:28 PM Ignore TedNC Report Abuse Go Coal. A lot cheaper.
PoohMcGoo Champion Author Alabama Posts:3,067 Points:800,585 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:13:23 PM Ignore PoohMcGoo Report Abuse We'll go broke if we act on everything environmentalist want us to do.
C.Carpets All-Star Author Oakland Posts:543 Points:2,089,985 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:13:10 PM Ignore C.Carpets Report Abuse Global Warming is caused by that big hot thing in the sky. Smog, now that's a different story.
serrog Champion Author Nova Scotia Posts:5,564 Points:1,512,130 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:06:08 PM Ignore serrog Report Abuse NO!
jmaustin80 Sophomore Author Alaska Posts:159 Points:189,875 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:04:10 PM Ignore jmaustin80 Report Abuse Studies are just like statistics, it's all about what the author wants to sell.
farn1958 All-Star Author Twin Cities Posts:886 Points:183,385 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:04:02 PM Ignore farn1958 Report Abuse Dah!
blazerbob91 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:6,145 Points:1,883,670 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:03:37 PM Ignore blazerbob91 Report Abuse No frackin way
kishoreCA Champion Author Ventura Posts:3,117 Points:392,895 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 5:00:03 PM Ignore kishoreCA Report Abuse another example of unreliable "studies" and "reports"...
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:8,804 Points:1,843,450 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 4:59:54 PM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse Go figure.
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96sc1 Champion Author El Paso Posts:8,517 Points:1,367,440 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 16, 2012 4:58:00 PM Ignore 96sc1 Report Abuse Every act said to help stave off global warning is mythological. Global warming is natural, cyclical and unstoppable, puny humans.