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Challenging the oil and gas industry's energy independence message

CS Monitor -- With gasoline scaling $4 a gallon recently, plans announced last week by international oil giant BP to export U.S.-produced crude oil ought to have Americans howling. For such a plan to be good energy policy--rather than merely profitable for the oil industry--the United States would have to be producing more than enough oil to meet its own needs. But the country produces nowhere near that amount. Nevertheless, the industry's deceptive campaign to make the public and policymakers believe that the United States is on the verge of energy independence seems to be succeeding--a push that is really just a smokescreen for selling the country's oil and natural gas to the highest bidder.

So far this year the United States has produced 6.2 million barrels per day (mbpd) of crude oil plus lease co

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,609 Points:1,608,545 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 19, 2012 6:02:10 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse jetlag: try again.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,609 Points:1,608,545 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 18, 2012 11:45:34 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Vom: net IMporter of crude, but net EXporter of distillates. Two very different things.
VomVom Champion Author Calgary Posts:3,857 Points:1,627,080 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 1:55:23 PM Ignore VomVom Report Abuse Can't believe the ignorance here. The US is a net importer of crude oil!!
jetlagAK Champion Author Anchorage Posts:2,251 Points:635,675 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 11:36:34 AM Ignore jetlagAK Report Abuse No more Hype and Chains!
Lukus Champion Author Halifax Posts:8,278 Points:1,673,555 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 9:13:29 AM Ignore Lukus Report Abuse Obama has not been doing anything for the average guy/gal in regard to oil/gas prices. He has not taking in Wall Street spectulators but has continued to allow them to rape the traveling public.
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ARCO Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:2,343 Points:2,376,395 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 3:27:21 AM Ignore ARCO Report Abuse 100% RIGHT DOGGOD
doggod Champion Author Anchorage Posts:2,838 Points:739,410 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 3:22:21 AM Ignore doggod Report Abuse The old siren song: "Let's put the coercive force of The State to work to create the Garden of Eden." It's been tried, folks. Over and over and over again. It doesn't work. Most dramatic case in point: the Soviet Union. What does work here on planet Earth is leaving people to pursue their own best interests without coercion from People Who Know What's Best for Everyone Else. But that would mean everybody would have to go to work to create wealth. Where's the fun in that?
daquanabe Champion Author Houston Posts:1,818 Points:373,900 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 3:22:17 AM Ignore daquanabe Report Abuse Indeed, energy companies are only trying to make as much profit as possible regardless of who they walk on.
k2kipp Champion Author Minnesota Posts:3,161 Points:1,126,210 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 3:15:43 AM Ignore k2kipp Report Abuse Why should I start believing lies now?
torch347 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,065 Points:1,031,825 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 3:15:36 AM Ignore torch347 Report Abuse If we are about to start exporting crude, why is the price still so high? The U.S. should use more of it and stop importing.
mberg Champion Author Houston Posts:3,802 Points:959,405 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 3:14:17 AM Ignore mberg Report Abuse Good report.
slgas Champion Author Houston Posts:6,025 Points:1,561,565 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 3:04:55 AM Ignore slgas Report Abuse A little shocking, yet pretty realistic.
PTBpricer Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,491 Points:204,470 Joined:Jun 2012	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 3:03:53 AM Ignore PTBpricer Report Abuse Nixon called for oil independence because of the oil embargo by the Middle East oil producers. I think it is time to redefine oil independence based on the original intent. We export oil to Canada then import it back into the US as refined gas. Canada has been our friendly neighbor since the end of the War of 1812. Doesn't it make sense to change the phrase "American oil independence" to "North American oil independence"? I would like to see an article on how close we are to North American oil independence.
tbgasmizer Champion Author Ontario Posts:6,053 Points:1,229,770 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 3:03:32 AM Ignore tbgasmizer Report Abuse Why are prices so high then?
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Goatroper Champion Author Dallas Posts:6,594 Points:1,293,485 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:58:41 AM Ignore Goatroper Report Abuse So what do you want to do about it? Everyone complains about the weather, but no one does anything about it. Unless you pass a constitutional amendment to allow EXPORT tariffs, you're stuck.
RichardoB Champion Author Fayetteville Posts:7,997 Points:2,002,210 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:58:27 AM Ignore RichardoB Report Abuse This crude oil is a national resource. We should have a say in where it's shipped.
grandmacbc Champion Author Buffalo Posts:6,530 Points:1,428,825 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:57:25 AM Ignore grandmacbc Report Abuse so many reports out there and each give a different slant that its hard to sluth out the TRUE story
otherdave Champion Author Indiana Posts:3,388 Points:1,268,185 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:57:08 AM Ignore otherdave Report Abuse NO exportation of domestically produced fuel!
TommyTraveler Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:8,674 Points:1,697,330 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:57:08 AM Ignore TommyTraveler Report Abuse I hope so.
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Buck_on_Bass Champion Author Tennessee Posts:7,574 Points:1,455,310 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:54:45 AM Ignore Buck_on_Bass Report Abuse I recall that peak oil was originally to occur in the 1950's. Then it moved to the 1060's. And it keeps moving. Peak oil and gas is subject to the changes and improvements in technology in production and price. If you think about it, gold would be produced today if gold was still $23/ounce?
rockymountman Champion Author Roanoke Posts:1,959 Points:401,660 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:53:28 AM Ignore rockymountman Report Abuse exactly. stop exporting AND importing.
Rhino8of8 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,245 Points:373,640 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:52:19 AM Ignore Rhino8of8 Report Abuse We have a trade imbalance as it is... but now knowing that some of our exports are the OIL that we import? Mind boggling.
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w4kh Champion Author Tennessee Posts:11,665 Points:2,228,015 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:50:52 AM Ignore w4kh Report Abuse This article says what Big Oil is all about: HUGE profits. And, this one statement says it best: ... "the industry's deceptive campaign to make the public and policymakers believe... is just a smokescreen for selling the country's oil and natural gas to the highest bidder." Small wonder pump prices are so high...
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8ballnd Champion Author North Dakota Posts:2,109 Points:285,525 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:47:40 AM Ignore 8ballnd Report Abuse sounds like north dakota is going to build a refineir sometime next year. An indian res. has been in the process for 9 years working at getting it here. Only be able to refine 20,000 barrels aday a start but when they stated to push this north dakota has since struck oil hard. now lets get more going
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W4YAH Champion Author Florida Posts:1,143 Points:231,845 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Oct 17, 2012 2:47:21 AM Ignore W4YAH Report Abuse Would you expect any different...BP is not a non-Profit organization!
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